Talk:Knights of the Round/@comment-44997843-20200724001817/@comment-27492705-20200726151126

Lelouch did a frig ton of awful things. I saw somewhere that I believe someone involved in creating Code Geass said something like he wasn’t good but he was necessary. Doing it because your little sister is just short of perfect doesn’t make it much better, especially when she wouldn’t want this. And sorry I don’t understand what you mean by “soo if lelouch isn't innocent, what do u say? who is he at "Innocent" \ "Thug" type words..?” could you rephrase or explain?

The only people I see as really betraying Lelouch are his parents and Suzaku, and Suzaku chose him in the end. And Suzaku’s betrayal was implied from the beginning. Lancelot was also known as a traitor. The Black Knights were manipulated by Schneizel who is framed as mentally superior to Lelouch, and he’s very persuasive. Plus Ohgi listened to Villetta. I do wonder why Tohdoh was surprised though, he knew Lelouch as a kid like Kirihara did from his time at the Shrine. And Lelouch wanted them to live too. Like, he didn’t wish death on any of them.

I typoed with my example, but I fixed it, guess you didn’t see. I meant if I did something to offend you and didn’t apologise, would you hate me?

Schneizel is loyal to Zero. Kannon is shown to be a sweetheart, hugging Nina when she cried over Shirley, looking disapproving when Schneizel decided to abandon Nunnally, and we don’t get to see much of him. But his main characteristic is loyalty to Schneizel, so since Schneizel is loyal to Zero, Kannon is no threat. Ohgi...well, he’s a bit simple, I think that blame should go more to Villetta. She’s the one character that got a happy ending that I think didn’t deserve it. Rakshata got invested in the Black Knights, but she made it clear her reason for being there was collecting data so it’s not as much of an emotional thing for her.

Tohdoh is a weird case, because audio dramas show that when Lelouch was at the Shrine, he encouraged Suzaku to befriend him. He knew Lelouch had reasons to hate Britannia, yet he acted so surprised and doesn’t question anything.

I dislike Tamaki. He’s and idiot and annoying a fuck to me.

I’m not denying that Lelouch didn’t give off the impression that he doesn't give a fuck. He does. He was incredibly selfish, thoughtless, and cold during both assaults on Tokyo. The attack on the Geass Order he could’ve handled a lot better, but those scientists and some of those kids were not innocent. The scientists were using orphaned and/or kidnapped children for human experimentation, and those children were also used as spies and assassins. Rolo being a perfect example. Witholding information to some level is how all organizations work. telling everyone everything risks exposing them to enemies and/or overwhelming recruits.And I don’t think Lelouch knew Rolo was being a brat, he probably would have said something if he knew.

As for putting Nunnally above the Black Knights, yes during those instances he treated them awfully and it was the opposite of okay. But you do need to think of it in context. 1. Nunnally is a friggin angel. She’s kind and sweet and it’s nigh impossible to not like her. 2. Lelouch spent 7 whole years doing almost nothing but caring for Nunnally, practically raising her himself despite being only a few years older than her. 3. He almost lost her, and she’s also all he has left of his mother. When you nearly lose something you cling to it harder than before. 4. She is the only person he loves more than Suzaku, and we see how that went. Loving or being loved by Lelouch is a sentence for torment. 5. She absolutely adores Lelouch, which reinforces his doting behavior rather than getting him to back away and let their relationship be healthy. 6. The first attack on Tokyo, Nunnally had been kidnapped. He didn’t know where she was or if she was okay. And remember the last time she was kidnapped, it was Mao, who was willing to set off a bomb right above her. Given everything else, he went into a panicked state. I don’t know about anyone else, but when I have a panic attack I can’t think anywhere close to clearly. It’s just fear and random uncontrollable thoughts and inability to process the situation. 7. The second attack on Tokyo, he thought Nunnally was literally dead, he thought Suzaku had betrayed him again, Shirley was dead, C.C. not herself and may never be again, and his monster of a father that he thought he’d locked away returned alive and well. He wasn’t stable in the first place and then his whole world is taken away from him in one explosion. The Black Knights had no way of knowing so their reactions are warranted, but the viewers are different. We know what he just lost. He entirely lost his mind.I just think compassion is in order.

TL;DR Lelouch is a trauma survivor with shitty mental health and probably PTSD and an unhealthy obsessive attachment to Nunnally so losing her takes a huge hit to his sanity. She always takes priority to a literally insane level. His treatment of the Black Knights in those incidents are awful but they aren’t hard to empathize with.

Earl Dirtbag has a point this is probably annoying, so if you wish to continue this conversation, go to my talk page.