Talk:United Republic of Europia

Alright, I won't make a change to the main article, but hear me out. Year One of the Revolutionary Calender is A.D. 1790, which makes Year 228 A.D. 2017; 55 years after A.T.B. 2017 following the dating scheme of Eoywn driving out Gaius Julius Caeser from Britannia. So either the Revolutionary Year is a continuity error or the old explanation for the ATB dating system has been Retconned (to be indistingusable from Anno Domini no less). So which do you think is more likely? 70.140.19.131 23:32, August 9, 2012 (UTC) Scherzo

But here is the thing: they don't say that its 1790 "AD", but just "1790". Considering the context of this show, where the Britannian calendar has pretty much been dominant (at least from the perspective of the viewers), it is heavily implied that they mean 1790 "ATB" here. The whole issue of the AD calendar system doesn't matter, therefore. Also, if there are some continuity errors compared to the original history in our world, such as the years of the different calendar systems not properly matching, that is most likely the fault of the producers who didn't think ahead when they did this. In any case, as long as the producers claim that the current year is "Revolutionary Year 228" in Akito the Exiled, then that is the fact of the matter, as they are "God" in terms of the Code Geass and its related details; any further debate is just theorizing and criticizing the errors they might make. So while I admit that your argument isn't totally basely, it isn't enough to change the given information on this wiki; only verified "facts" belong here, such as what is directly stated by the makers of the anime. Eternal Dreamer (talk) 01:58, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't have changed the article if I had known that was the date given on the site. I hadn't seen the source material before I made the edit and I apologize. Any further discussion is just an intellectual argument and not attempting to change it.

First off though, I just don't buy that 1789 is anything but a reference to the irl French Revolution, and if you were to hand wave it by saying "Well it just happens 55 years earlier in this timeline", then you have to explain stuff like the 80 year gap between the French Revolution and the founding of Britannia, as well as how Napoleon could've participated in it due to not being born yet as well as happening before CG Timeline's "Washington's Rebellion."

Honestly, I actually like the depth they're giving the EU with Akito and I understand in the grandscheme of things this is nitpicky. But I'm just kinda disappointed that they most likely screwed up when creating this alternate Calender, which is something the French Revolutionaries themselves actually did. 70.140.19.131 03:38, August 10, 2012 (UTC)Scherzo

I know, I'm also disappointed that they made this kind of mistake. It won't detract from my enjoyment of Akito, of course, but it would have been nice if they had gotten all their facts straight before deciding these details. Still, we've only gotten the bare basics of the details from the Akito website, so perhaps we'll learn more from the actual ova itself that will make up for this, if not correct it. Eternal Dreamer (talk) 11:54, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

I'd also like to point out a few other retcons or at least what appear to be retcons. Britain's capital is moved to North America before the revolution can "reach the cliffs of Dover", so the whole thing about the "Humiliation of Edinburough" where Elizabeth IX is forced to abdicate the throne seems to have been retconned. Also, if I'm reading it right, Napoleon doesn't die at Waterloo, but is instead overthrown by the revolutionaries before he can consolidate power, potentially before he can declare the French Empire.

A person on a forum I go to also noticed that Reila possibly mentions 'Floreal' while recording her diary entry, a month in the Revolutionary Calender, though that isn't enough to go off without a proper translation. I'd give them mad props if they alluded to a "Goddess of Reason" being the religion of the EU. 70.140.19.131 20:44, August 10, 2012 (UTC) Scherzo

Yes, I also noticed those two inconsistencies with the currently accepted history in CG. But, since the story about the "Humiliation of Edinburough" and Napoleon's death at Waterloo were only given in animated shorts that were only semi-serious and were made before the decision to make new series like Akito the Exiled, they likely decided that it would be fine if they disregarded the information provided in these shorts in favour of a new history that fits better with the plot they intended for Akito. As such, I would not read too much into these retcons, unless the producers themselves bring it up in some article.

And it would be interesting if they did make an allusion to the "Goddess of Reason", I admit, since it would show that they did put SOME thought into the little details. But as you said, until a translation comes out, it's hard to tell for the time being. Eternal Dreamer (talk) 21:00, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

True, Sunrise probably treats CG like they do Gundam; the only 'canon' is what is shown in animation, whereas Light Novels, Manga, Video Games and Promotional Material are at best 'Semi-Canon' only if not contradicted by animated material. Did the explanation of the ATB dating system also come from an Omake? I never knew the source of all that material and assumed it had come from some Appendix in a light novel or something. Is the only information gleaned from the show itself about Britannia's history (in relation to our timeline I mean) the fact that the Tudor Dynasty never ended?

I'm a bit of an Alt History junkie, So I'm pretty excited at the prospect of Akito dealing more explicitly with some of Geass's more Alt History elements, like the French Revolution succeeding and spreading to the rest of Europe. I'm just wondering that as more concrete information about Akito's setting develops, do you think we should go back and edit the information to reflect that?70.140.19.131 21:27, August 10, 2012 (UTC)Scherzo